Why does nobody talk about how much religion actually influenced the US Constitution?

I found a stat from a Pew Research survey last month that said 55% of Americans don't know the Constitution never mentions God, and it made me wonder how many debates about separation of church and state just get derailed by that one basic fact, has anyone else run into this argument at a family dinner?

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elliot_miller222mo ago

Man I've been saying this for years! I remember reading this article a while back about how the whole "separation of church and state" phrase actually came from a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to a Baptist church, not from the Constitution itself. It's wild how people on both sides of the argument throw that phrase around without knowing where it really started. The Constitution was a straight-up government document for running the country, not a religious manifesto. That Pew stat doesn't surprise me one bit because most folks just repeat what they heard at Sunday school or from their uncle without ever cracking open a history book.

lisa9761mo ago

Have you ever tried fact-checking someone in real time without sounding like a jerk? That's a tough one, but I've learned to keep a couple of the original sources bookmarked on my phone. When a buddy starts arguing about the founders being super religious, I'll casually pull up the Treaty of Tripoli from 1797. It literally says the US government is "not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." Usually shuts down that argument real quick without me having to say much.

dixon.amy2mo ago

Ugh, this is exactly the kind of thing that makes me crazy about how we treat history as a set of convenient talking points instead of actual facts. The Jefferson letter thing is a perfect example - people will fight you over "separation of church and state" without realizing it came from a Baptist church worried the government would start picking a favorite religion, not from atheists wanting to ban religion entirely. It's the same pattern as when people argue about the "good old days" without realizing the Constitution was written by guys who were still figuring out how to run a country without turning into a monarchy.